Riddle Me This: Vietnam

Watch video Cat made: Vietnam and Pop Culture

  1. Identify how the Vietnam War impacted music, film, photography and art during and after the war.  Use three examples Cat used in her presentation to illustrate your answer. Do you think the effect was positive or negative? Why?

Thích_Quảng_Đức_self-immolation

Suggestions:

Malcolm Brown’s Buddhist Self Immolation photograph

Nick Ut’s work of the little girl running

Eddie Adam’s photograph of the General shooting Viet Cong soldier

CCR- Fortunate Son

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11 Responses to Riddle Me This: Vietnam

  1. Samantha Kosziollek says:

    During and after the Vietnam War, photography, film, music, and art reflected the horrific realities of the war. Through these types of media, however, viewers are able to identify the importance of patriotism and bravery. Eddie Adam’s photograph of the General shooting Viet Cong soldier was “a picture is worth one thousand words.” The image soon became an anti-war icon. Adams said, “I killed the general with my camera…” Nick Ut’s work of the little girl running while burning alive made public the details of the small Barksy Hospital in Saigon where 9-year-old Kim Phúc was being treated for over 14 months. The girl survived and became the founder of the Kim Phúc Foundation in 1997, providing medical and psychological help to child victims of war. Malcolm Brown’s Buddhist Self Immolation photograph stirred a lot of attention. This was done as an anti-war practice, so in order to stop the war. I noticed that during and after the Vietnam War photography, film, music, and art reflected the civilians more than the soldiers. I think the effect was positive because these new outlooks on civilian life brought even more attention to the war, and they also encouraged faster attempts to end the war. Specifically, Nick Ut’s work of the little girl running while burning alive was engulfed with so much attention that a foundation was established in order to help people medically and psychologically.

  2. Juan Lopez says:

    The Vietnam war had a negative effect on art,photography,movies,and songs. We can see all the negative things that happend during the Vietnam war, we see them in the picture of the girl who was running and had her skin severely burned. Another picture that Cat showed in her video was of the general shooting the Viet cong soldier in public,it showed the cruelty that some soldiers had during this war. Finally we see in the photos of the Buddhist monk setting himself on fire that some people thought this war was so horrible that the killed themselves to get a message across. So in the end I think that the Vietnam war had a negative effect on media and art.

  3. Randy Edwards says:

    The Vietnam war caused a big effect on all kinds of art of the time period (most of which was photography). The art started to portray anti-war and other negative feelings towards the war. One example was MalcolmBrown’s buddhist self immolation. This photo shows how many Buddhists showed their anti-war feelings (by burning themselves alive). Another good example could be Nick Ut’s photo of a little girl running. This photo showed how even kids were in danger in the war and that even innocent civilians weren’t safe. A final example could be Eddie Adam’s photo of a General shooting a Vietcong solider. This photo showed how brutal and violent the war was on both fighting sides. I think there is a lot of negative feelings being spread in this time period because of all the many movements that occurred at the time such as the Ohio state university shootings. A simple march for our you men to come home and it turns into people dying for nothing. All of this in my opinion goes back to a negative feeling throughout the war.

  4. Karina Escalante says:

    The Vietnam War left people horrified, therefore I believe this meant it impacted music, film, photography, and art in a negative way. The photograph taken by Nick Ut of a little girl running gave me the worst feeling when I saw it. The fact that this little girl had been severly burned for absolute no reason broke my heart. I’m sure many people reacted this way as well when they saw the photograph, and this also showed how brutal attacks were during the Vietnam War. Malcolm Brown’s photograph of the Buddhist setting himself on fire showed that Vietnamese people wanted to end the war more than or just as much as everyone else did. Buddhists went to this extreme of setting themselves on fire, resisting the urge to scream with all their might. It was truly incredible to see such strong reaction to war. Eddie Adam’s photograph of the general shooting the Viet Cong soldier also depicted harsh treatment of civilians during the war – shooting an innocent man to show an example of what would happen to someone if they were to protest against the army. I think that all of these photographs impacted art in a negative way.

  5. Keri Mallari says:

    Even before the Vietnam War, censorship already existed, but I guess that during and after the war, the idea of censorship with music, film, photography, and art was increased. Inclined to the idea of censorship, there was also an increased anti-war feels. Most of the photos that Cat included showed death, pain, and suffering. If we look at the My Lai Massacre, it was in black and white, and it was just a picture of dead people lying in the ground, all piled up together. This gives people a sad feeling, because they’re just all dead, and no one’s even helping them. They’re just there, dead. Another photo would be the Tet Execution (I googled it!), a civilian, who doesn’t seem to be involved in the military as seen in his clothes, but just a person who maybe stood up for himself and was against the opposite team. It shows violence, but regardless we see the civilian just standing up, somehow accepting his fate. Another picture would be the Accidental Napalm (yes, I googled it again), a picture where a young girl is running away, naked, and is obviously in great pain as seen in the emotion in her face, this again makes the audience feel sadness, to a greater extent because we see pain in a younger, and much more innocent person. In all these photos, we see violence, cruelty, pain, and suffering, and these pictures aren’t exactly children friendly, so the increased censorship was a positive effect in terms of the betterment of a nation, but negative in the sense that I believe that people have rights to know better. The increased anti-war feels would be a positive effect because it’s anti war, less chances of war, i guess.

  6. Daniel Chauca says:

    The Vietnam War left a terrible mark on art, photography, film, and music. Many people learned of the horrors going on in Vietnam and many sought to protest against the war. We can see this in “Fortunate Son” by Creedence Clearwater Revival. The song was an anti-war protest song that had a strong, fiery statement against the Vietnam War and the political establishment in the U.S in the late 1960’s. This was a perfect song for the growing number of Americans who saw the war in Vietnam as a mistake. Malcolm Brown’s Buddhist Self-Immolation Photograph had a huge influence. The name of the monk was Thich Quang Duc. This showed that even Buddhist monks were against the war. To self immolate one’s self takes a lot of courage. The photograph was put on the front pages in many newspapers worldwide. He was able to burn without screaming or moving. Nick Ut’s photograph of the little graph showed that everyone was affected even innocent children. The girls was burned and naked running away napalm attack. This is a horrific thing to happen to someone. The girl’s name was Phan Thi Kim Phuc. Nick Ut’s photograph of Kim Phuc running with South Vietnamese soldiers became one of the most haunting images of the Vietnam War.

  7. Due to the fact that I have to be unique and it is my true opinion as well, I actually believe the Vietnam War affected all forms of art- media, film, photos, and music- because so many rules were broken. Just how many pictures were used to portray the war at home, even more were forbidden to be shown sue to their highly graphic nature. Ronald Haeberle’s photographs of the My Lai Massacre struck close to me, not because of the pictures themselves but because of the lengths Haeberle went to get the pictures public. (The same goes with Apocalypse Now- I love the movie, but I love the making of the movie so much more). Haeberle had to take pictures with the Army (government) issued camera as well as his own camera, due to the fact that the army would censor the more graphic images. I believe this led to a positive effect for all photographers and artists everywhere as they could get around censorship rules and show the true horrors of the war. Another example could be the Creedance Clearwater Revival song, Fortunate Son. Songs have evolved over time (from talking about cars in the 50s to drugs nowadays), and songs proved to be an escape for artists to voice their opinions on the war. Fortunate Son details the reasons why a rich son wouldn’t have to go to war because of the golden spoon- because people in college didn’t have to fight. It wasn’t only this song, but all the songs I included in the video as well- The Vietnam Song, Gimme Shelter, For What It’s Worth- they all were forms of outcry and anti-Vietnam rebellion. This was a positive effect for the songs because it led to future experimenting with the boundaries of song lyrics as well as form of outcry everyone could enjoy- they didn’t have to watch tv or own a record player, all they had to do was go to the store and listen. Lastly, Cat’s (3rd person? This is where you psychoanalyze me some more) use of film in the video also helped prove that the use of media actually proved to be a positive impact on media. As time went on, filmmakers (as well as the photographers and songwriters) were willing to continue pushing limits that were previously set. Anything ranging from The Deer Hunter to Watchmen, the Vietnam War greatly affected culture. I think it really did leave a lasting positive impact (although this can also be considered negative; due to the extent the boundaries were pushed with violence and all) on culture since it allowed for people not only to push limits, but also to become more involved in forms of media they enjoy. It changed the war from something we learn in history textbooks to an exciting film that would keep people involved and entertained.

  8. Paloma Díaz says:

    The Vietnam War was a horrific tragedy that greatly impacted music, film, photography and art in a negative way. An example of this would be Malcolm Brown’s Buddhist Self Immolation. For them to sustain such pain through burning themselves alive showed how much the Vietnamese people wanted the war to end. The photograph taken by Nick Ut of a little girl running showed that the war harmed innocent children. The last example would be Eddie Adam’s photo of a General shooting a Vietcong solider. This photograph showed how cruel civilians were being treated at that time. This picture became an anti-war icon. All of these photographs were examples of how art was impacted in a negative way.

  9. Maynard Santos says:

    Despite the benefits a war might bring, it’s very difficult not focus on the tragedy and loss that accompanies a war. Nick Ut’s photo of the Vietnamese child, the general holding the man at gunpoint during the Tet Offensive, and the photo of US soldiers trudging through the water. These photos hit home for me, simply looking at their facial expressions, one can catch a slight glimpse of the hell they had to live through during the Vietnamese War.

    I’m slightly conflicted, but I’m leaning towards a “positive” effect. As mentioned by Cat in her response, many of the boundaries of music, film, photography, art, etc. etc. were pushed and it led to progression in these fields. Covering/expressing issues that were relevant at the time, these fields developed and really showed Americans the effects of the war.

  10. Joerenz Bolina says:

    I think that the Vietnam War impacted music, film, photography, and art in a positive way, both during and after the war. Although the death brought about by the war was mortifying, it encouraged action by the people to want to participate in the war and put a halt to all the conflict. Art was pushed to whole new levels that expressed the sadness and devastation of the war. It acted in a positive way because it communicated to the people all the pain and devastation to the war, and thus encouraged people to put an end to the war- and fast. It acted as a medium to express all the different aspects and perspectives of the war, and it acted as such a powerful medium that spoke to the people. It greatly impacted the people, and caused art in the future to become extremely expressive of all the situations. It also led to the government stopping people from being encouraged to promote war, which hadn’t been the brightest idea in retrospect.
    In Malcolm Brown’s Buddhist Self-Immolation photograph, the monk is burning himself as a result of the negative influences of the war. Since he can hurt no one but himself, he sets himself on fire in order to get attention and show how much he wants all the violence around him to end. He can’t put a stop to it himself, and he wants to put the message out there that the violence must be stopped, as it is causing so much death (including his own). This painful suicide struck people with such passion to want to stop the war.
    Eddie Adam’s photo of the General shooting a Viet Cong soldier tells a very sad tale. The American-educated South Vietnamese General Nguyen Ngoc Loan publicly assassinates the guerilla warrior Bay Hop, who had been caught. He did this in order to show people what the consequences were for rebelling. The picture provoked outrage at the war, as something as this was just immoral and wrong, especially since the general knew better since he was American educated. This picture struck people hard, and become a profound photo during the Vietnam War. This picture had such a huge influence, due to the inhumanity caused by the war.
    Nick Ut’s picture of the little girls running in terror is another powerful image. The little girl is shown to have fear, terror, and anguish, just like those running away around her. The little girl becomes a focal point because not only is she running away from the napalm attack on her village, but she is also running away naked since her clothes were burned away. This goes to show how much the war has stripped her of a normal childhood. Just like the previous two images, this picture struck people hard. This picture, however, was even more impactful because it showed the youth being terrorized the war. Innocent children are being dragged into this mess, and it’s not right, because these children are the future of the world, and if they are all messed up psychologically and physically from this, how can they further advance the world in the future?
    Although all these effects were negative impacts of the war, the art positively influenced the people in trying to stop the war and end it fast before more trouble started. It gave people a chance to see the immortality in the world, and a way to fix it for the future. All this art expressed devastating messages that moved the peoples of this time. The art became more expressive, and expanded into deeper levels of emotion, passion, and overall effectiveness in the message. Up to now, our art is only getting more creative, expressive, and deeper in message. So all in all, I think the war affected the art in a very positive way.

    And that’s my two cents on Cat’s awesome project about the art during the Vietnam War.

  11. Angelica Carlson says:

    I would say that the Vietnam War definitely impacted the media. It was not always a positive impact, but an impact at that.
    There was always the saying “Any publicity, is good publicity.” I don’t think this always falls true. In a case of war propaganda, you have people sharing their opinions of both sides of the war. Either side’s followers are not always going to be happy to see media promoting the opposite side.
    The image of the Buddhist monk self-immolation is just so incredible. Just the thought of harming oneself to prove a point, is unbelievable. If anything, it shows true dedication. This photograph also is the cover of the band Rage Against the Machine’s self titled album. Rage is very anti-war, therefore this photo was a powerful statement about their music and their beliefs.
    Another example is the famous movie Forest Gump. Come on, who doesn’t love Forest Gump. This movie was a tear jerker for many outside the love story. It showed the reality of the war.
    Lastly, Cat also used the song Gimme Shelter by the Rolling Stones. This song too reflected the war and its many tragedies. It also emphasized the reality of the war, much like Forest Gump. This song became a huge hit and a powerful part of rock history.
    Overall I think the media had a positive effect. We now have many gems of history that reflect the terrors of the Vietnam War. When we watch or listen, we are reminded of our nation’s history and struggles.

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